BRIT NERF Forum Index
Join! (free) SearchFAQMemberlistUsergroupsLog in
Aftermarket flywheel cage benefits

 
Reply to topic    BRIT NERF Forum Index » Q&A and New members View previous topic
View next topic
Aftermarket flywheel cage benefits
Author Message
Please Register and Login to this forum to stop seeing this advertising.







Filadams
New Member


Joined: 14 Feb 2017
Posts: 17
Fav. Blaster: Stryfe
Location: Oxfordshire



Post Aftermarket flywheel cage benefits  Reply with quote
Hello All,

After completing my first electrical mod on my stryfe, I am noticing that people seem very keen on replacing their flywheel cages. I noticed the BSUK order for red artifact cages, as well as the new worker cage with two options for wheels. What are the key benefits? Are they worth the outlay in your opinion?

My stryfe has MTB Rhinos, balanced worker wheels, mosfet rewire and 3s lipo with trimmed feed ramp, if that's relevant. Loving the power but hoping for more consistancy in shot (quite often getting whirlybirding).

Thanks!
Fri May 12, 2017 9:57 am View user's profile Send private message
Boff
The Dealer


Joined: 08 Dec 2012
Posts: 3392
Fav. Blaster: (Modified) Stampede ECS
Location: Bristol, UK



Post Reply with quote
The main thing you get from a milled cage like the Artefact ones is noise reduction. The better tolerances mean that there's less room for vibration through the plastic shell. Those tolerances in turn mean better consistency in your shots and a tighter SD on the chronograph testing.

If you're experiencing darts veering off course down range then you've probably not set your wheels correctly. A good number of those problems can be solved by watching OldNoob's excellent video on how to bring balance to your blaster. It covers pretty much everything you could want. Once you've done all of that then I'd suggest you go to a milled cage for maximum consistency and reduced noise.

_________________
Boff: Managing Director, Blastersmiths UK & BUZAN Founder (formerly)
| Blog: nerfarmourer.tumblr.com | Website: www.blastersmiths.co.uk | Legal: http://pastebin.com/6sQ7c3jg |
Fri May 12, 2017 10:16 am View user's profile Send private message Visit poster's website
OldNoob
Foam Data Collector


Joined: 07 May 2013
Posts: 4834
Fav. Blaster: Xtreme 180 Rapidstrike
Location: In the Boonies



Post Reply with quote
Whirlybirds are to do with correctly set flywheels and alignment. Also remove the "rifled" faux barrel and shoot better darts. We are all shooting either 1.3g X-Tip waffles or 1.2g stacked. I use 1.2g for anything from 100-130 fps that I want a flatter trajectory on, then X tip for anything up to 160 fps.
Artifact cages offer better vibration damping and precision in manufacturing but only if the other parts of the system are built right.
Hooligan flywheels are well worth the money.

_________________
Big_Poppa_Nerf wrote:

Boff whats the damage? I have spent over 3 times my Nerf budget this month already. Part of me is trying to be a responsible parent/husband/house owner. The other half is just says 'Ahhhh, Screw it!'.
Sat May 13, 2017 6:24 pm View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail
Filadams
New Member


Joined: 14 Feb 2017
Posts: 17
Fav. Blaster: Stryfe
Location: Oxfordshire



Post Reply with quote
Excellent info, thanks guys. Will have another look at my flywheels and remove the faux barrel. Probably will get a precision cage at some point, but this month's budget has gone on bsuk tactical gear Very Happy


Last edited by Filadams on Thu May 25, 2017 9:53 am; edited 1 time in total
Thu May 25, 2017 7:57 am View user's profile Send private message
OldNoob
Foam Data Collector


Joined: 07 May 2013
Posts: 4834
Fav. Blaster: Xtreme 180 Rapidstrike
Location: In the Boonies



Post Reply with quote
You can reduce considerably the whirlybirds simply by improving alignment, which costs almost nothing. Correctly matched flywheel sets make a huge difference and quality motors help too.
Any mismatch in the rpm or contact area of the wheels as they contact the dart will result in the dart exiting at an annie and hitting the barrel wall.
I would ignore all the metal worker wheels, the design is flawed. Hooligans are the number one wheel easily. Just correctly fitting a set to a stock stryfe cage on blades made my test stryfe the most consistent shooting blaster I have ever tested.

_________________
Big_Poppa_Nerf wrote:

Boff whats the damage? I have spent over 3 times my Nerf budget this month already. Part of me is trying to be a responsible parent/husband/house owner. The other half is just says 'Ahhhh, Screw it!'.
Thu May 25, 2017 9:21 am View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail
TheDon808
New Member


Joined: 16 Mar 2017
Posts: 11
Fav. Blaster: Stock Stryfe
Location: Bristol



Post Reply with quote
I was thinking about the hooligan flywheels and the 3d printed high crush OFP cages, for my RS and stryfe, but from what OldNoob states I may just the the flywheels to start off with then look seeing if I can get a OFP flywheel cage printed locally to save the expensive postage. If i ever get the time to finish my project RS.

_________________
(⌐■_■)︻╦╤─
Bristol Blast
"Whats that? You're running with a stock stryfe"
Yes, hence the name Stock Boy
Sat Jun 03, 2017 7:16 pm View user's profile Send private message
Franksie
Nerf Hippy


Joined: 11 May 2016
Posts: 416
Fav. Blaster: Stryfe
Location: Telford



Post Reply with quote
Don't bother with 3D printed cages - they have variable tolerance at best
Sat Jun 03, 2017 7:21 pm View user's profile Send private message
OldNoob
Foam Data Collector


Joined: 07 May 2013
Posts: 4834
Fav. Blaster: Xtreme 180 Rapidstrike
Location: In the Boonies



Post Reply with quote
Printed flywheel designs are often very good, they are just the wrong material IMO. I would save that money and buy a decent CNC machined aluminium cage.

_________________
Big_Poppa_Nerf wrote:

Boff whats the damage? I have spent over 3 times my Nerf budget this month already. Part of me is trying to be a responsible parent/husband/house owner. The other half is just says 'Ahhhh, Screw it!'.
Sat Jun 03, 2017 9:15 pm View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail
NewsonNerf
Junior Member


Joined: 16 Oct 2015
Posts: 64
Fav. Blaster: Nerf Rapidstrike
Location: Hertfordshire



Post Reply with quote
Metal cages definitely provide a higher level of consistency when it comes to performance. They increase the tolerances as mentioned earlier. Servicing the motor block is also made easier due to the screws attaching the motors into the cage. I'm my experience the metal cage also moves the point of failure (worst eventuality) to the flywheels, which if they are plastic is ideal. It removes the slight stress on the motor connections after each shot but this is very minimal.

_________________
"Don't Nerf guns do that already? They shoot 30 meters, look it says it right there!"
Sat Jun 03, 2017 9:47 pm View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail
OldNoob
Foam Data Collector


Joined: 07 May 2013
Posts: 4834
Fav. Blaster: Xtreme 180 Rapidstrike
Location: In the Boonies



Post Reply with quote
Having seen 4 tag failures in two years from vibration and unbalanced wheels I would say it's not a marginal problem.
The other issue with 3d printed cages is flex. When you increase the crush you increase the load on the motor block as a dart enters the wheels, in a3d printed cage the floor of the block, regardless of how much infill there is, will flex, altering the crush and wheel geometry. An aluminium cage, particularly a more rigid alloy like 6061, won't flex, maintaining the designed properties of the cage.
Precision is not a side benefit, it is THE benefit of better tolerances in manufacture. If you can minimise ALL the other errors in play in the firing system you are only left with wonky darts, which TBH is part of the fun of Nerf. No matter how carefully you set up your expensive cage we all get the odd whirlybird due to a 4p bit of mass produced foam and rubber going through it won, which is especially amusing for your opponent.



_________________
Big_Poppa_Nerf wrote:

Boff whats the damage? I have spent over 3 times my Nerf budget this month already. Part of me is trying to be a responsible parent/husband/house owner. The other half is just says 'Ahhhh, Screw it!'.
Sun Jun 04, 2017 9:12 am View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail
Display posts from previous:    
Reply to topic    BRIT NERF Forum Index » Q&A and New members All times are GMT
Page 1 of 1

 
Jump to: 
You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum

Card File  Gallery  Forum Archive
Powered by phpBB © 2001, 2005 phpBB Group
Design by Freestyle XL / Flowers Online.
Create your own free forum | Buy a domain to use with your forum