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OldNoob
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Ok, I have started my stage by stage testing of common Longshot mods, I am working with the OMW 8kg spring as thats the most common one at the moment. I am planning to test each stage as I build, hopefully including a brass breech for Koosh.
The first stages, up to AR removal are listed in one sheet. I will add more as I get them done. Next is a deadspace removal venturi.
Stock, Stage 1 and Stage 1 AR Removed.

As you can see the AR in the longshot is really restrictive VS more modern designs. Compare this with a 5kg retal, as seen here and you can see the old beast is still lagging a bit, even with very careful work.

Edit- Graph Title fixed.

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Boff whats the damage? I have spent over 3 times my Nerf budget this month already. Part of me is trying to be a responsible parent/husband/house owner. The other half is just says 'Ahhhh, Screw it!'.


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Boff
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I think your graph title might be borked... Smile

Does this mean people will let the damn thing die now? I mean for a fair bit of work and fuck all rate of fire you're faffing to limp over 100FPS. This is why BSUK stopped supporting the Longshot over a year ago.

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Northwind
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To be fair, the ONN kit does a lot more than limp over 100fps. With obvious usability/rof impacts, I pulled a muscle in my arm doing my koosh testing with it  Laughing

Really nice numbers these. Most folks are very negative about brass breeching or rather barrelling for koosh, you mind me asking what you have in mind?
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OldNoob
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The Hobbymods kit uses a ridiculous 14kg spring to hit 130.
I have some ideas on how people make breeches and I am pretty sure I can do better, many adapted Angel designs have too tight barrel sizing and nobody has ever tested the different sizes of possible bolt for best power. The breech won't be done fast, so have more important flywheel stuff to do first.

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Boff whats the damage? I have spent over 3 times my Nerf budget this month already. Part of me is trying to be a responsible parent/husband/house owner. The other half is just says 'Ahhhh, Screw it!'.
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Been hit by a longshot sporting an 18kg spring, can definitely say that thing didn't limp.
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OldNoob
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If that was Stosh's it has a sealed breech and shoots high 180's -mid 190's FPS at my best guess. Wouldn't be allowed at most if our games anyway.

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Boff whats the damage? I have spent over 3 times my Nerf budget this month already. Part of me is trying to be a responsible parent/husband/house owner. The other half is just says 'Ahhhh, Screw it!'.
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Have you seen the lipless type setup:

http://youtu.be/27vBFJBTyb4

I'v been working on something similar for recon/retaliator before getting side tracked by flywheels.

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OldNoob
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The first one is not that useful with full length darts, it creates huge deadspace vs my design. The second iteration is better. I want the dart to sit back in the bolt as I am using the lightest spring weight I can get away with. The printed part is clever I suppose.

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Boff whats the damage? I have spent over 3 times my Nerf budget this month already. Part of me is trying to be a responsible parent/husband/house owner. The other half is just says 'Ahhhh, Screw it!'.
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I'll come right out and say that I love the Longshot. It looks great and it feels great. I don't want to sound too much like Coop but as a 6'1" male with decent sized hands (no, I haven't compared them to Donald Trump's) the Longshot just "feels" good.

It's true, I wouldn't use one in a war in which performance counted for anything, but for mucking around or for wars around the house with the kids, the bolt action rate of fire is fine.

I've done a spring upgrade (I forget what I did, it was a while ago and I'm not going to open it up to check, but I think I doubled the spring up with one from something else) and did an AR removal, plus the usual air-seal servicing and lube, and got it up to performance about or slightly above unmodded Elite standard. For indoor home games that's good enough.

But, way down the list of projects, I'd like to mod another Longshot to get the performance a bit higher, so I'll be following this thread with interest.


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