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NerfNoob
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Post Perhaps I was a little hasty getting rid of my Stryfe  Reply with quote
My first blaster was a Retaliator, and since then I've accumulated various blasters which have all been springers.

Earlier this year I purchased a Stryfe and because it seems to be one of the most popular blasters on the planet I was excited to try it out.  That excitement quickly turned to anger.  I know this might upset a lot of people.  But I hated it.  Well, I liked the way it looked and felt, but I hated everything about the way it fired.

Poor range, poor power, fly wheels rough on the darts, noisy.  Rapid fire was OK but there was a great loss of range when doing so.  I set up plastic bottles and knocked them flying with the Retaliator. Hitting the same targets with the Stryfe left them still standing and the darts bouncing off in the opposite direction, almost like they were mocking me.

I know most people would say, "Yeah, what do you expect, you need to mod the Stryfe to get the best out of it."  But honestly, I don't have the inclination at the moment to modify my blasters.  Well, I added a spacer to my Hammershot, but that's enough for now.  I'm happy with the stock performance of my springers and didn't really want to take a £10 Stryfe and then spend £50 on modding it.

So far all of my games have been played indoors too, and have been better suited to springers.  When my opponent breaks from cover for a second, the first shot either hits them or it doesn't.  Firing a further 5 darts after the first makes no difference.

However, last weekend me and my wife played around at the park.  Now suddenly I regret returning that Stryfe in a temper.  For 3 reasons actually:

1) When you're unfit like me and running low on energy, running and priming at the same time is difficult.  Gasping for breath, I would have welcomed one less thing to do.

2) The lack of "punch" or "kick" that a blaster has seems less noticeable outdoors compared to firing indoors, I'm not sure why.

3) My wife only has pistols.  She accepts she can't win outdoors unless she has a proper primary.  But she doesn't like having to manually prime a larger blaster.  She doesn't really like having to deal with magazines but accepts that 6 shots on their own don't go far.  So now she is thinking of getting the Stryfe.

So now I am thinking that for the sake of £10 I was a fool to return it.  Now I might have to go back to the shoppe and buy one at double the price Crying or Very sad

Thank you for listening.
Mon Apr 24, 2017 1:23 pm View user's profile Send private message
Boff
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Post Re: Perhaps I was a little hasty getting rid of my Stryfe Reply with quote
NerfNoob wrote:
2) The lack of "punch" or "kick" that a blaster has seems less noticeable outdoors compared to firing indoors, I'm not sure why.


The simple reason for that is windage and longer engagement distances. Modified blasters are essential to be competitive in a solely outdoor environment.

I run Stryfes exclusively as both primary and side arm. I even discovered that they can be used for suppressive bursts at
the weekend which means full auto is even more obsolete.

Go get yourself one. Learn to solder/generally mod using it and then find a war and be awesome...

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Supercollide
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Sadly, yes I think you might have been.

I'm similar in that I'm a springer by nature but I've added a stryfe in and while I'm not loving it in the same way it as springers, I really see it's benefits and you can score one at £10.00-£20.00. In run and gun terms alone they are awesome!

I picked up a barricade on the cheap and instantly regretted it, power was so poor, it was so noisy, it didn't feel anything like as fun. But then my 6yr old picked it up and he loved it, front loading, loads of shot without a difficult slider to deal with and I started reconsidering.

I mean on Saturday we played a 2 man zombie game and it ended up with him chasing me down in a flurry of darts, loads of fun.

So I ended up picking up stryfes 2 on the cheap (as clips have gotta be better for me than front loading), one's still in it's packaging.

Tesco direct did have them at £8.00 each a few weeks back but I think they were clearing stock.

Be aware that the rebelle version (rapid red blaster) is £12.50 at the entertainer right now and I gather it's performance is the same.


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NerfNoob
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Thanks for the heads up on the Rapid Red, my wife isn't keen on the appearance of the Stryfe, the Rapid Red might be better suited.

I notice on the Nerf Wiki it says:

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The UK version of the Rapid Red is extremely unreliable and suffers from jams often, especially on low batteries


Does that likely mean there is a difference between the Rapid Red and the Stryfe, or does this issue affect the Stryfe in the same way?

Yeah, I got my Stryfe for less than £10 from Tesco.  They're around £17 now.  For the sake of £10 I should have kept it, even if I didn't like it much at the time Sad
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Supercollide
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I've not noticed any jams on my stryfe that weren't crap dart related but then I tend to battery check/swap batteries before any kind of play. I also haven't done anything more than an hour play sessions yet.
Again for £12.50 the rapid red's gotta be worth a pop.
I know I've seen a good few Stryfes in cheap 2nd hand bundles on Gumtree or Facebook marketplace in the Yorkshire area, not sure if that'd be similar for you in Leicestershire though.
Just checked and it's £16.00 at Smyths toys at the moment.

I'd see if you could loan one next nerfwar you can get to, try it in action if you can.
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OldNoob
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The Nerf wiki is 99% bollocks. No users here have had issues.
Rapid Reds do have smaller space for a lipo (essential) than the Stryfe but the cage is the same meaning  you can use the aftermarket Stryfe ones if you like.
TBH all stock flywheel blasters are horrible, fit only for modding. The only stock blasters I have enjoyed were old (RF20/magstrike,) pistols (HS,5x5) or the sledgefire. All the others were simply means to an end, especially outside.
There is absolutely NOTHING wrong with UK stryfes vs US ones. Just buy one of the plentiful second hand ones, enabling you to have the superior Elite blue colour or get one out of the trading section of here where they can be had for £10 or under.
I can thoroughly recommend the £14.99 Jyn Erso as an alternative too.

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Boff whats the damage? I have spent over 3 times my Nerf budget this month already. Part of me is trying to be a responsible parent/husband/house owner. The other half is just says 'Ahhhh, Screw it!'.
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Northwind
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You can take the battery tray out of the rapid red and make a much bigger space, I forget the dimensions but it's like 45x45x55 or something, plus wire space at the end. I have a nice big chunky cell in mine that'd need an expander to go in a stryfe.

But, the door is still 4xaa sized so if you make full use of the battery space, you can't get it out without loosening a couple of screws and spreading the shell. All quite irritating really and needs some thought about wiring too, I got it a wee bit wrong so while I can get the pack out I can't do the connections easily. This isn't a big enough deal to make me rewire it but it is a big enough deal to be annoying... every... time
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Treezy
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As a training exercise you can always just remove the mechanical and electrical locks from a Stryfe/RR, remove any resistors/thermistors, and replace the wiring circuit with a simplified 18 gauge circuit. Even running stock AAs youíll notice an improvement in rev up time and a small improvement in FPS because youíll have removed the parasitic resistance present in the standard hair-thickness wiring. Also, removing the locks and adding a dab of grease to the moving parts makes it much nicer to operate.

Iím still undecided on removing the lock that prevents the trigger being pulled unless the rev trigger is already pulled. Personally I like the simplicity of having no locks in my flywheel setups, but after having lent out two flywheelers to friends at BB8, they kept having jams from pulling the trigger without revving the flywheels. Worth bearing in mind if itís going to be more than just you using it.

Once youíve done a rewire you can add some IMRs without any extra hassle for a much quicker spin up time and a decent FPS boost; though Boff & OldNoob will tell you off for doing so (and youíll struggle to find reliable IMR cells now). Or with a little bit more work and some extra cash you can add a connector to your loom and drop in a small LiPo and maybe even some Rhinos.

It all depends what you want to spend, and how much work youíre prepared to put in. While itís a bugger to replace the loom, then have to rewire parts of it later on as you add LiPo and motors, itís a good learning curve to get you familiar with circuits and improve your soldering skills (if youíre like me and a lot of other modders, youíll not have touched a soldering iron since high school). But given that a second hand Stryfe, some 18awg wire, and a few centimetres of heat shrink can be picked up for around a tenner if you shop smart (assuming you have an iron and flux to start with), thereís no reason not to at least rewire the initial loom and benefit from the faster spin up and ease of use.

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OldNoob
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Treezy- I always leave the trigger interlock in place, as stalling the wheels in panic with the main trigger is the main mistake with the Stryfe.
Rewiring with 18AWG and then buying IMR if you DONT own them already is silly, as you can buy a 2s 800mah lipo with a safe charger for the price of two 14500 cells and a safe IMR charger. If you own a suitable charger from another hobby or have a friend who can loan you IMRs then they are five for casual use. You can leave a tail on the wires to allow you to add a lipo plug later and modular looms are as cheap to make as doing 2 non modular ones. I made a Modulus that accepted AA's, IMR, Lipo and any motor up to 60A stall in the same shell with the same loom.
Tier 1 for all semi autos should always be a proper rewire.

Note also that there are 3 Stryfes in Trading @ £10 each, much cheaper than in store.

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Big_Poppa_Nerf wrote:

Boff whats the damage? I have spent over 3 times my Nerf budget this month already. Part of me is trying to be a responsible parent/husband/house owner. The other half is just says 'Ahhhh, Screw it!'.
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NerfNoob
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IMR's, Lipos, Rhinos... it's all alien speak to me. †I guess I have a lot of reading to do †Smile

If I get a Stryfe for my wife I may have to buy a second one as I don't think she would allow me to experiment with one of her blasters.

Funnily enough I am OK with the technical aspects of using a soldering iron as my father used to be an electronics engineer and showed me how to use one correctly on many occasions. †However my knowledge of actual electronics is pretty much zero.
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OldNoob
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All the information you need is in the Battery Guide and the rest is really easy. I teach 11 year olds to rewire stryfes. If you don't fancy that pre jade looms are available from BlasterTECH in Aus and all the components can be bought from Blastersmiths UK. There's a raft of helpful people here and videos on Youtube to help you.
There is zero electronics in a stryfe rewire. It's about 18 inches of wire, 10 solder joins and a battery. It's the circuit you make in primary school with the build, switch and battery except the bulb is two parrellel electric motors.
If you can solder it's pretty simple.

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Big_Poppa_Nerf wrote:

Boff whats the damage? I have spent over 3 times my Nerf budget this month already. Part of me is trying to be a responsible parent/husband/house owner. The other half is just says 'Ahhhh, Screw it!'.
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As above, a rewired Stryfe (and pretty much any other other semi-auto) is about as simple an electrical circuit as you can get. It's literally battery -> switch -> motors -> battery. The stock circuit is a little more complex but you don't need to know how any of it works to modify your blaster since you can just remove all of the unnecessary switchgear and wiring and start from scratch (in fact that's the best thing you can do as not only will it reduce the circuit's overall resistance it'll make it more reliable by removing potential points of failure). Unless you're working on something with a soundboard or select-fire board there are no electronics involved and there aren't even any fixed resistors to work with/remove. There are capacitors, inductors, PTC fuses and occasionally diodes but, again, you can remove all that (even the switches, motors and battery terminals) and build your own circuit. That's the beauty of electrical blasters, there's very little you can actually do to permanently break them - motors, wiring, switches and even flywheels, flywheel cages and trigger/pusher assemblies can be readily (and usually relatively cheaply) replaced.

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NerfNoob
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Thanks all.

I was all ready to acquire another Stryfe, and even consider modding it, but my wife has changed her mind and now wants an Alpha Trooper springer †Shocked
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OldNoob
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Ideal opportunity to get the 2 gorgeous £30 deal at Argos, one Stryfe, one EAT.

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Big_Poppa_Nerf wrote:

Boff whats the damage? I have spent over 3 times my Nerf budget this month already. Part of me is trying to be a responsible parent/husband/house owner. The other half is just says 'Ahhhh, Screw it!'.
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NerfNoob
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OldNoob wrote:
Ideal opportunity to get the 2 gorgeous £30 deal at Argos, one Stryfe, one EAT.


Now that's an idea... however I kind of fancy an EAT myself!  Am thinking of getting at least one second hand so that it's already battle scared!
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NerfNoob wrote:
OldNoob wrote:
Ideal opportunity to get the 2 gorgeous £30 deal at Argos, one Stryfe, one EAT.


Now that's an idea... however I kind of fancy an EAT myself! †Am thinking of getting at least one second hand so that it's already battle scared!

I don't think the stryfe's in the 2 for £30 so 2 Argos EATs sounds a plan.
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Well that's shit. It was on 2 for £30 for ages. Look out for build quality on the EAT.



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Boff whats the damage? I have spent over 3 times my Nerf budget this month already. Part of me is trying to be a responsible parent/husband/house owner. The other half is just says 'Ahhhh, Screw it!'.
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