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Boff
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I received a shipment of Voberries this morning from 4553josh (thank you!) and immediately started to put them to work over the chronograph. This is my first set of results from my Elite Alpha Trooper, AR delete and 5kg upgrade spring. I pulled the EAT data from our old data sources (linked on the main spreadsheet) and compared it to the new data provided this morning from running it over our chronograph.

Elite Alpha Trooper, 5kg w/o AR:
All Voberries were new and hadn't been fired (we culled the ones that looked like they had). Data summary is below:

Average Elite: 96.12FPS
Average Voberry: 76.62FPS

Elite data was culled from the original source linked above and took the first 50 shots from the unsorted list for use in the t-test. Note that the EAT used in both tests is the same blaster with no differences or changes.

Stock Retaliator:

Using FDS' data set with Elites as the baseline, we did another 50 dart comparative shoot. The data can be found here.

Average Elite: 75.24FPS
Average Voberry: 55.64FPS

OMW Retaliator S3 Kit without barrel:

Comparative 50 dart shoot, data is here. Again, used FDS data as the Elite baseline.

Average Elite: 116.08FPS
Average Voberry: 97.88FPS

Voberry vs Koosh: Sharked Rapidstrike:
We have a Sharked RS here in the office and apparently I love the fine mist of foam that they spit all over my chronograph.

Average Koosh: 98.2
Average Voberry: 82.02

Voberry Start Voltage: 12.28V
Voberry Finish Voltage: 12.15V

Koosh Start Voltage: 12.49V
Kood Finish Voltage: 12.38V

Data is here.

Commentary:
Now, the interesting thing about the Voberry, apart from that 20FPS loss in muzzle velocity is that it's not as accurate as a Koosh dart. We did our usual firing down the hall way with the EATs and the Sling Fire, aiming for one of the panels in the Georgian door at the end of the hall. Normally, CarrierII can drop shots on it like his life depends on it, no problems with Koosh. Voberry, however, were going everywhere - in an 18 dart magazine, he managed to land 2 shots on target  and it's not a small target. Yes, they're cheaper than Koosh but my first impressions aren't great. More data will be added to this thread as I go.

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The weight distribution on the Voberry is very bad, with most of the mass in that long hard stem in the foam, and a very light tip. They are fine in stock-80fps and not bad in flywheels, but I agree that Koosh is still the best.

Thanks for posting some more data- Long live the chrono revolution...

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In some ways Voberry are just like a blue streamline dart rather than an elite clone. They have a lower muzzle velocity and reduced accuracy becausue of their longer streamline-esque stem (bringing the centre of gravity back away from the tip and closer to the centre of pressure).

EDIT:

I can't see the results without asking for permission.

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I was stunned at the level of difference, though. It's incredible once you actually see it in person in a testing context. I've only ever seen them on the field before and I'm usually focused elsewhere in those cases. An interesting little quirk is that we've lost 20FPS in both the tests I've published so far. Very Happy I wonder if that holds up as I trial more data.

tl;dr Voberry, cheap and nasty, get sum Kewsh! (to quote an infamous Redditor)

EDIT: Fixed the sharing links, sorry about that!

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What colour foam were those?

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Blue foam, good quality and comparable to Elite foam. I suppose it's just the tip that's letting it down. Smile

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I am going to have 2 Koosh, one Glowberry in my dusk mags for GC, tracer style. Then when the eye follows the helicoptering Glowberry, the Koosh takes your head off.

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OldNoob wrote:
I am going to have 2 Koosh, one Glowberry in my dusk mags for GC, tracer style. Then when the eye follows the helicoptering Glowberry, the Koosh takes your head off.


"Oh look, a glow dart!"
*THWACK*
"1,2,3,4,5..."

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More data added. 2 things I learned from this. 1: Voberries suck for muzzle velocity. 2: This Retaliator needs a pump grip. My hand hurts. Sad

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Didn't want to post a new thread and this is still on topic. If I am in the wrong here let me know and I will move/create a thread.

It's good to see these dart FPS topics, but short of Elite Vs Voberry, I cannot see any other dart stats.

Am I missing a link or is there a dart datasheet somewhere? It would be interesting to see Koosh and FVJ FPS data.

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BPN, this is indeed all Voberry vs Elite because I got sent a box of fresh Voberry darts and I'm building on OldNoob's amazing work with Elite darts.

I'll be doing Koosh data when our large  order of Koosh arrives in the next couple of weeks. I've not got enough stock to do FVJ nor do I particularly want them in the office in case they get mixed in with our Koosh stock by accident. GC events are a weird run around thing and things get mixed up easily. I might have some that ON gave me to get a small test done but no promises. Smile

Oh and, of course, it's worth reiterating the fact I'm just measuring muzzle velocity at this stage. Accuracy testing will have to wait.

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BPN, looks like toruk has something to feed your hunger for data: Razz

Koosh vs Elite

Voberry vs Elite

Koosh seem to perform similarly to Elites velocity wise.

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No probs Boff. I was curious about FPS only as I do not own a chrono (and probably never will). Oldnoob might chime in as he has plenty of dart types and a chrono. I would love to see all the darts available on the market put over the chrono (including ZS Vs Elite).

I imagine a dart mule would need to be purchased for something like this though. If your using a well worked blaster, any wear and tear would affect accuracy of results! Is anyone willing to buy a blaster for minimal use?

As far as accuracy testing is concerned, I'm only short of Voberrys at this point in time, so nothing some tin can shooting cannot answer about accuracy.

On a side note to that: For accuracy from my stock EAT, my faves are FVJs, but these are really not game worthy. In my honest opinion, Kooshes in springers are more accurate than Elites, but Elites are more accurate in Flywheels. NOTE: These results are my opinion from just pratting about with various blasters in a tin can alley. I am no scientist, this is not science, I got a D in GCSE science. I do however own a Lab coat and I was wearing it at the time to make it look more sciencey.

EDIT: Cheers SSGT. Was writing this when your post popped up.

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The Flymo is half price too because nobody loves it.
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Blasterlabs dart round up, no Voberry though. Plus the excellent Blood Angel Dart Comparison by Kimball.
I have most of the common darts, I have just not bothered doing the data because other people seemed to be doing that. Plus if you got a heavy dart, you just get a performance drop. The subject of precision is more important in many ways, as once you are even slightly modded, elite darts become less useful. Thus you are going to lose overall power, as you are going to want a heavier tip, so it's a simple matter of which flies best, which is mostly subjective, given that everyone has different favourite blasters, play styles and technique.

Anytime you want to borrow the chrono for a bit, just ask.

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Added the first Koosh vs Voberry to this list. I've got some FVJs here that I'll trial either tomorrow or Saturday. I'm currently limited to chrono time as I can't take it outside so we're stuck with what light we have indoors. I'm slowly characterising everything I can get my hands on and building a huge data mount for people to work with. Smile



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