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Treezy

Apollo pump kits

So after the last Bristol Blast I've grown quite fond of my Apollo. As with the Atlas, it had feeding problems leading to firing blanks; particularly if you've primed very fast. But the mag action is much friendlier than the Atlas, and even though the grip is huge (I'm a size large hand and even I can't wrap my hand around the grip fully), the rest of the blaster doesn't feel too big or cumbersome (like the Atlas does). It was great for HvZ shenanigans because it was easy to fire one handed.

However, I spotted the veeerrrrry sexy looking pump kits available from Worker, and I have to say I'm smitten. Sexy look aside, they look like they could turn the Apollo into a war practical primary.

So, who's got experience with them, how easy are they to install, how well do they operate, and are they worth the expenditure?
OldNoob

Mr Crane I think has one.
Word on the street is the prime is a bit "printy" on the slide and they cost quite a lot when you can buy an Artemis for 45.
Also it needs a stock as well, so you should buy that part when you order the kit. Psysk on Youtube will have a review, Nooby is his buddy and he has the hotline to F10555.
PM Mr Crane otherwise, I am sure he will give you a very thorough summary as he has used his in a game.
Treezy

Hmm.... I had pondered about getting a full kit via eBay, but it'd probably be worth waiting for the next Worker/F10555 MO via Noobie, because according to the catalogue from the last MO it'll work out about 40% cheaper.

Anyway, I need to put new tyres on the car this week and buy a load of waffle tips and possibly a few other small goodies on payday, so it can wait for now.

But damn does it look sexy....
Franksie

Have used Mr Cranes and the prime is very heavy.  He certainly knew about it at the end of the last war.  I certainly couldn't use one for a whole war
OldNoob

There are also rumours of injection moulding. I would still buy an Artemis instead.
Treezy

I'm not sold on the aesthetics of the Artemis unfortunately and I don't like vertical grips. Even with an aftermarket printed horizontal/sloped pump grip, I still don't think it's for me.

And the reloading looks clumsy and not that practical in game. Which shouldn't be too much of an issue for most of the games at BB because they're a) not that long, b) with the increased accuracy of the Rival blasters there's a more efficient use of ammo, and c) I'm usually tagged out/nommed before the end of most games!

But still, a back pocket stuffed with 12 round mags and a large dump pouch to hands-free drop empties straight into while I grab a fresh mag with my off hand felt amazing when using the Apollo last time.

It's very much about the form/fun factor for me; war-practical is a (close) secondary consideration.
OldNoob

I have used the Artemis, not in game yet, but 30 balls is plenty and adding a few as you go to the mags is just as easy as faffing around carrying a ton of rival mags, it's not much harder to do than the hirricane. I don't care much about how stuff looks, if it's functionally better, cheaper and as effective I will buy it. The vertical grip is there to aid priming the longer and tougher stroke, there is a reason for it. Shotgun grips don't allow for as much mechanical advantage.
I sold my Apollo, couldn't get on with it at all and didn't fancy the cost of pump kits.
Mr.Crane

Though I'd chime in now I've seen the thread Razz

The F10555 pump kit is OK...
For the most part the main problem is the price - whilst it does exactly what it says on the tin, its at least twive the price of the blaster alone!

It then presents you with the issue of the Apollos cheese gears, do you want to spend so much on a pump kit when its not an 'if' but a 'when' for the gear (specifically rhe central one) to break?
I had a stainless steel one made so that wouldnt happen but again, more cost...

As Franksie has said, the prime is very heavy, because of where you're pumping from to where it internally primes, theres an awful lot of linkages and it does make it a pain after a while.

The 3D printed scratchyness does go away pretty quickly, the pump has small metal runners that make it smoother and they also smooth out the print lines - mines at the point now after 2 or 3 games where it no longer makes the zipping noise.

Though there are a lot of downsides... once you've got it all up and running, its a beast! I love mine and dont regret how much I've spent (though some may call me stupid Razz ), its great to use and a lot of fun.

All swings and roundabouts I guess!

Comparing the Artemis is a bit like people building pump retals when the EAT is available, just preference really
OldNoob

Thank you for giving us a proper players perspective. What was the approx total cost?
Mr.Crane

OldNoob wrote:
Thank you for giving us a proper players perspective. What was the approx total cost?


Off the top of my head I paid:

Apollo - 30
Pump Kit - 70
Steel Gear - 18
Mags x10 - 50-60ish with various deals / bought a load from Franksie
HIR - 50ish in extra rounds

Obviousley the mags and rounds are optional / prices vary but you get the idea...

I could've got the pump kit cheaper from taobao etc but I'm lazy and wanted it fast and easy from eBay

Overall not cheap, but then again its easy to spend that much on a dart blaster
OldNoob

Base cost isn't far off a top level Stryfe.
Zenif

Mr.Crane wrote:


Off the top of my head I paid:

Apollo - 30
Pump Kit - 70
Steel Gear - 18
Mags x10 - 50-60ish with various deals / bought a load from Franksie
HIR - 50ish in extra rounds



Holy moley!

I looked at the pump grips but they are still rocking up and 42 the worker one does look nice and I admit my finger hovered over the buy button.

I got a second hand paint damaged Apollo for 10 not expecting much and it blew me away. The grip and mag fitment is so chunky and satisfying and the performance is just great for such a light small package! It is great for HVZ!

So I went out and bought all the 12 round rival mags (for 5) that I could get hold of.

So far I stripped the locks out regreased it and snazzed up the damaged paintwork. Next step is to either make myself my own pump grip or to fit return springs. I may do both see how it works for me.
Treezy

Zenif: I tried the return spring mod but was a bit rushed and was using too heavy a spring. But after a few sketchy moments in HvZ at BB7 where I'd not fully returned the prime while trying to shoot zombies, it's definitely something I need to revsit.

Yeah, I'm seeing the full Worker kits including the stock for around 45 popping up now, so it's on the list of projects, right after I sort LiPo out
old_man_nerf

I've got the return spring mod working in my minimised Apollo and it makes a satisfying click now it works. As I've removed the priming claw from the top it better had!

Home made pump grip is on the project list for my other Apollo.
UK Foam

The new appollos have started to come with metal gears. Unfortunately there is no way of telling from the outside which have metal gears and which don't.

Im also a fan of the appollo and after a pump grip
Mr.Crane

Yeah but they're still made of cheese, I wouldnt vouch on them being much better
Zenif

Modded mine with two return springs last week and now it is a beast!

I may make a pump grip, I have an old raider I have sitting around that donated it's barrel and is looking kinda sad, looking at it it looks like the prime length is similar..

It is interesting that there are now metal gears in newer versions, I took the locks out of my Apollo and it had very little grease in there so I sorted that out so it is pretty smooth now. Hopefully it will last a couple of wars.

TBO the idea of having metal gears running on the plastic plunger rack and the plastic priming handle rack is not filling me with confidence to be honest!

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