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Minky

Cage Match

Has anyone seen any comparative data between the performance of flywheel cages? Or even any experience of the different custom types and how they perform?

From what I can see Artifact and DRS set ups rule the roost whilst Hawkeye's aren't available,  or am I wrong?
OldNoob

Cages will only increase performance if they increase the crush on the dart. We use the metal cages because they are more precise. Canted flywheels are pointless.
I haven't tested them because the cage isn't what's driving the darts velocity and to test precision/accuracy effectively would require some serious cash and kit investment, only to produce a non repeatable test.
Buy Artifact RED if you want a better cage than stock.
Broz

From my cack handed misadventures fitting aftermarket flywheels I can certainly say that the experience with artifact cages and flywheels has been very much more positive than with workers in stock cages. Fitting motors is also a pleasure and as far as I'm concerned the less I have to use the dremel and modeling tools the less likelihood there is of something being irreparably destroyed...
OldNoob

All aftermarket wheels really need to be fitted hot.
Broz

Don't I know it... and with nothing more potent than an hairdryer, and even then with a lot of care on the applied heat.

I just found that with the rock solid motor fitting and the ease of alignment for the wheels within the cage it was a pleasingly low stress experience that justified the increased outlay for an otherwise non essential part.
OldNoob

A hairdryer as modding equipment, who would gave thought that would be a thing.
Broz

I know I didn't, my hair doesn't get past a no4 so I had to borrow my mum's at the last family conflab...
Minky

Although I can completely see that they small test samples there would appear to be more some evidence (by you tubers who aren't as dedicated to the cause as justajolt) for the use of canted flywheels and the fact they impart spin.  I have to put my hand up to be leaning towards a DRS cage for the Typhon after watching the bobololo and coop videos (and psyk catching the spin on camera)  but if anyone has got any 'real world'  experience of them and how they perform past a magazines worth of darts, I'd love to know.

EDIT: PSYK rather than psychic.  You win again autocorrect...
Franksie

Foam darts are the wrong sort of projectile to benefit from any spin produced
Minky

I know they're drag stabilised but those (brief) tests seem pretty conclusive for the benefits in accuracy..  Having said that I've also seen videos where they've been span so fast that their back end kick out and they helicopter..  But then again the slow motion vid by Psy show them clearly spinning and straight.. Best of both worlds?
OldNoob

Videos showing spin are NOT proof of anything other than the dart rotates. There is a complex relationship between the rotation (RPM) of the dart and the velocity. There is possibly a point where sufficient spin is generated to provide a stabilisation improvement and no result in a whirlybird. This point may well be BELOW the velocities we want to shoot is and MATHEMATICALLY beyond the degree of spin produced by canted cages.
What you are seeing in straighter flight is twofold, firstly the cant reduces velocity, which puts the centre of mass further forward again vs the centre of pressure, second the cages/wheels illustrated e.g. DRS are VASTLY more precise than the toy grade Hasbro ones. This means they are automatically going to be more precise and improve consistency as a result. I immediately got a noticeable improvement just from truing then matching the flywheels and using feeler gauges to centre them, as well as getting another 5fps average muzzle velocity. That was in a STOCK very bendy plastic cage.
None of the tests I have seen represent proof of anything at all beyond the fact that the dart does spin a bit. To prove accuracy for canted vs flat wheels would require a far better, more comprehensive test under properly controlled conditions.

TLDR you are not comparing like for like.
Minky

You're right,  of course.  I hadn't thought of the tolerances on the flywheels and the spacing/positioning.  I guess that slight changes there would then then impart uneven force making the darts pitch and maybe yaw.  

Spin would seem to share the drag of the dart surfaces around all the degrees though even if it weren't to produce any further stabilising effect. We need Ryan of MTB to make that test cage I think he mentioned thinking of once with variable cant . Smile

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