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Boff
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I haven't seen any results from other people on the performance of Demolisher rockets so we decided to run some over our new chronograph. The data can be found here. OldNoob, feel free to add it to your stock blaster archive.

Protocol was to fire as many rockets as it took to get 10 shots cycling 5 different rockets fresh from the pack evenly. Mostly just a bit of fun while I start work on comparative performance data between Elites and Voberries.

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Added to the stock data list. Thanks for that, never bothered to test it! I will see how firing them from a BBUMB compares.

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Boff whats the damage? I have spent over 3 times my Nerf budget this month already. Part of me is trying to be a responsible parent/husband/house owner. The other half is just says 'Ahhhh, Screw it!'.
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Have you tried throwing balled up socks as hard and fast as you can through the chrono?

With the exception of the titan, which I doubt you have to hand, i don't know what else you could compare the rockets to!

So try socks! You may be able to prove or dis-prove the Demolishers true worth!

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The Flymo is half price too because nobody loves it.
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I'll put it on my roster for tomorrow morning. The chronograph's lower range is 22FPS so I might struggle to get them moving at that pace with my girly arms. Smile

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Big_Poppa_Nerf. wrote:


With the exception of the titan, which I doubt you have to hand, i don't know what else you could compare the rockets to!


Mattel Ultimator,  Laughing

I get all giggly thinking of that titan slaying recoiling beast of a blaster known to produce 120 foot stock range with a massive projectile, mind you couldn't hit anything further away than twenty foot due to its completely inaccurate behaviour.

But seeing as it's a super rare blaster and the ammo is even rarer, I suspect it will never see a chrono.

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Boff, I have a titan and rocket available. Do you want me to bring them to GC1 for chrono checks?

EDIT:  It will turn up to GC 1 as I want to find out if it is legal in that LARP system (and if so, how many pumps into the resevoir are allowed before it is too powerful).
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Hi Baldrick!
No way a rocket launching Titan will be over the limit. A singled one firing darts probably will be OP, by quite a way.

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Boff whats the damage? I have spent over 3 times my Nerf budget this month already. Part of me is trying to be a responsible parent/husband/house owner. The other half is just says 'Ahhhh, Screw it!'.
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If someone handed me a singled titan, I would drop it as it is too dangerous for larp, however, greencloaks doesnt have any published limits on arir blasters, which the titan is.  Also, I will be taking along a few homemade rockets for testing as well.  I do have a few ideas for mods that woek off the titan system, but if they are not useable in the environment I play in, then there is no point in me doing them.  (one idea is the use of a titan to fire demolisher shells in an arcing trajectory [mortar style]).  I would rather be certain and safe than risk injury.  (The homemade rockets are made out of ld33 plastazoate foam and furniture foam, which conforms to most larp systems throwing weapon rules, and are larger than 50mm across [and so also conform to the critical part of the projectile ammo rules at most larp systems as well]).
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Baldrick wrote:
EDIT: It will turn up to GC 1 as I want to find out if it is legal in that LARP system (and if so, how many pumps into the resevoir are allowed before it is too powerful).


Hmm... Titan for GC is tricky. I'd need the mass of the projectile and a few other characteristics. If it's stock, it ought to be OK for certain lammie phys-reps but the fact it's an air pump blaster with non-standard ammunition might make it problematic for general use.

In general, it'd be a fascinating thing to characterise. Doing fit curves to numbers of pumps and stuff is something I'd like to look into. You might just lose it one evening to me playing with the chronograph... Very Happy

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And that is why it will turn up at GC1 while my character can't use it.  I want to know how many pumps a titan is safe for on the ammo I am going to make (I must state that Enys did say that I needed to make ammo for the titan [I think he wants to use it for monster teams if safe]).  I know there are a lot of  issues going to be caused for insurance by allowing any compressed air blasters to be used (and there are going to be many more for using homemade ammo for them, I expect).
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I'll be working with the TG team to look properly at air powered stuff this year, any way. Personally, I'd love to be able to backpack a 12V compressor with a couple of LiPos and have a SA Longshot that'll hit 130 every time. We'll see where that goes, however. You're right in that there are lot of issues to work through, including insurance. Smile

As for the Titan itself, if it's stock then it's toy grade. It'll be nicely under the velocity and KE limits because toys are usually limited to around 0.5J while GC's rough limit is 1J-ish. Modified, it might present more of a problem. I'd probably require that its OPRV is set to something that will max out its velocity under the KE limit. That way we can avoid the problems with "I only pumped it 3 times, honest ref!" when we get someone take off the field with an eye injury.

Home-made ammunition is also a problem. I think in the case of the Titan, I'd say that we'd go for the same protocol as LARP safe arrows. Each one is checked regularly, no metal components and the guidelines are closer to the melee weapon, touchy feely methods rather than our standardised Kinetic Energy based methods.

Anyway, I'm going to split and move this topic because it's worth discussing. Not just for GC's sake but for other game organisers, too.

EDIT: Goddammit! Can an actual moderator do that for me? It looks like I've wandered out of my domain again.

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Weirdly I cannot take this topic out my own forum! Until Kev moves it, I will add my 2p.
I have a few things in build that will hopefully be almost plumb on the 130fps limit, 1 of which is air powered. Any changes in that regard would be useful to know for commissions.
Baldrick, if you are looking for weights for ammunition that are soft, consider cheap erasers, cut with a disc die, or there is a putty used for fishing weights that is denser than blu tac and still soft.
If you are looking for a good mortar design, in a cheap and compact package, I can recommend a fat drain blaster simply chop the big disc off the front, shove on your rocket and pow! They often need the pump o-ring lubing in the handle, other than that they are awesomely powerful.

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Boff whats the damage? I have spent over 3 times my Nerf budget this month already. Part of me is trying to be a responsible parent/husband/house owner. The other half is just says 'Ahhhh, Screw it!'.
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OldNoob, I'll email you the full ballistic safety requirements for the system. The ones in the rule book are... outdated.

I like the idea of mortar phys-reps and the like. It's something the monster crew could certainly use to really screw with the players when in camp. Currently, we're largely restricted to face on engagements with gate guards and piles of players. Or we just shimmy over the walls and shoot them in the back... Very Happy

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The method  used for the homemade titan ammo was minimum 50mm wide (larp safe arrow guidelines), two inch thick furniture foam on the front (again larp safe arrow guidelines), a 10mm thick ld33 plastazoate pad behind the furniture foam and three 3mm ld33 plastazoate sheets to make the sides of the missile itself.  No metal went into it as I wanted it to meet both the arrow guidelines and the throwing weapon guidelines for larp.  I havent yet tested it to see if the glue is strong enough, or if I need a better design for attaching the head to the body.
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Sounds like a solid construction format. I'd be interested to get them on the scales, too. The glue is key, me thinks. It'll need to hold together not only higher velocities but also endure the level of punishment meted out in an environs like GC.

Fun fact: last time I chronographed a LARP safe bow, it clocked around 36FPS from memory.

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The glue was evostick impact adhesive with solvent.  It is the commonly used glue for larp weapons, so it has a good solid hold.  Have now fired the missile several times and it is holding up fine so far, but may need to use a different material for the inner layer to reduce friction.
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Sort of handy having all this LARP weapon making heritage floating around, huh? Very Happy Do you have a photo at all?

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Sorry, I dont have a camera at all.


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