BRIT NERF Forum Index
Join! (free) SearchFAQMemberlistUsergroupsLog in
Rebelle Fearless Fire review

 
Reply to topic    BRIT NERF Forum Index » General Nerf Discussion -> UK Blaster Reviews View previous topic
View next topic
Rebelle Fearless Fire review
Author Message
Northwind
Nerf Addict


Joined: 28 Dec 2014
Posts: 898
Fav. Blaster: Rapid Red
Location: Edinburgh



Post Rebelle Fearless Fire review  Reply with quote
Picked one of these up on a random Asda discount the other day... Short version, it's alright. Obviously it's pretty niche, anything this bulky without a clip is going to have limited appeal. But it's pretty good at what it does. I picked it up more or less for fun, and maybe for FDT where clips are no advantage.

First and foremost, yes it's essentially a 20 shot barricade. And yes it's Rebelle so the stock and grips are a bit small. I'm 5'10, I find it comfortable to shoot from the hip but it's very cramped shooting from the shoulder. It's also quite heavy and a bit front-loaded- lots of plastic in that drum. Where it beats the barricade is obviously capacity, having a proper rev trigger, and also the drum mech is free to rotate which makes a massive difference for loading. It's also got very good clearance around the drum, so it's easier to load fast.

Performance is pretty much bang on that of a stryfe, quelle surprise- average of 86fps, completely stock with 2 IMRs, clean flywheels, and used-but-decent elites. Fresh elites and a bit of foam buildup would no doubt see an improvement. (with the exact same darts and cells a stock Stryfe averaged out at 82fps, so within the margins) It does have more faux barrel than the stryfe but that doesn't seem to be translating into a loss. It's quieter and smoother sounding than the stock stryfe. Oh, and some people predicted a loss of accuracy from the horizontal motor cage, but it's comparable to any other stock flywheeler.

2 main criticisms... One, the trigger mech is a bit unpleasant, it's a little crunchy and noisy and has a long pull and you need to pull cleanly to get it to rotate properly. Like a barricade, a bad pull can lead to a jam with a half-pushed dart not reaching the flywheels then jamming when the drum rotates. The rev trigger uses an unusual slide design too which makes it a bit heavy, and I've had a couple of rev switch jams. I think there's space to fit the small switches that BSUK sell in a normal alignment, but it's tight.

The other, sadly, is that it's going to be a bollocks to mod. The shell's very crowded inside, I wanted to minimise it but the firing mech goes a long way back and there's little space for a battery except in the "stock". It might be possible to squeeze a small lipo into the foregrip though that'd require disassembly to charge.  (ironically, it might be possible to squeeze 180s into the shell without cutting!) I think retaining the nice swoopy lines will be challenging and frankly I don't think many people will care enough to bother. I may remove the foregrip and smooth the shell out.

Seraphimcaduto posted internal pics on reddit:



All in all... I really like the shape and colours to look at but it's as much drawbacks than good stuff. I like it for what it is, it more or less delivers on its promise so I'll be keeping it and not doing much to it but I'd hoped for a bit more.

Oh, and I'd personally bet money that there'll be a doomlands or ZS blaster on the same format at some point.

Lastly- it comes in a ridiculously massive box, I cycled to the shops to pick it up and had to unbox it in the car park  Embarassed

EDIT

Please ensure pictures do not exceed 600x400. If you are using Imgur you will need to set the image up in your own account then select the code for "large Thumbnail" from the options in the right side bar. If you can't do this, message me and I will fix the image- Oldnoob


Sun Sep 13, 2015 3:28 pm View user's profile Send private message
Bcuk
New Member


Joined: 01 Jul 2015
Posts: 7
Location: Edinburgh



Post Reply with quote
I think you could make the trigger pull shorter and it would be fairly simple (ish) but would make it much stiffer.

You could use a battery box if you wanted to cut the stock of but that would probably look a little scruffy.
Sun Sep 13, 2015 5:26 pm View user's profile Send private message
Northwind
Nerf Addict


Joined: 28 Dec 2014
Posts: 898
Fav. Blaster: Rapid Red
Location: Edinburgh



Post Reply with quote
Yeah, especially with such a curvy shell. You could definitely do a hacked down one but that'd be a bit of a shame, it's got that nice whale thing going on.

I need to have a poke around with the trigger mech, it looks like there's about 1cm of play in it but I'm not sure it's that simple, I think the trigger also acts as a position catch on the drum.
Sun Sep 13, 2015 5:50 pm View user's profile Send private message
Bcuk
New Member


Joined: 01 Jul 2015
Posts: 7
Location: Edinburgh



Post Reply with quote
Does it rotate before or after the trigger pull?
Sun Sep 13, 2015 6:00 pm View user's profile Send private message
Northwind
Nerf Addict


Joined: 28 Dec 2014
Posts: 898
Fav. Blaster: Rapid Red
Location: Edinburgh



Post Reply with quote
Half and half, like a barricade.
Sun Sep 13, 2015 10:50 pm View user's profile Send private message
Northwind
Nerf Addict


Joined: 28 Dec 2014
Posts: 898
Fav. Blaster: Rapid Red
Location: Edinburgh



Post Reply with quote
Well OK, this thing's actually a total disaster inside it turns out  Laughing One of the reasons the trigger action was so horrible was that a loose wire had fallen down into the spring and was partly fouling the movement. But also, the locks and triggers are half rube goldberg and half m c escher, the jam door lock in particular is ridiculous, a huge l-shaped spar working on a little tilting lever that's all dependent on moving about 1mm to work. Something I've not seen before on any blaster, the spring that resets all this stuff doesn't sit right on its internal shelf so they've actually glued it in place.

And the rev trigger as you can see in the photo is at right angles- the trigger itself has a wee post which slides in a slot at 45 degrees, pushing another part up and down.

Luckily, it's also super-easy to remove this crap. I'll retain the jam door mech lever just to snib the door but there's a central part that you can just remove, like a stryfe dart lever, to disable the whole thing. And Blastersmith's dinky 10A switch will easily go on the rev switch.

Lastly, some of the sliding surfaces had flash and other mold remnants on them, which is where the rev trigger jam and some other roughness came from.

So that's the let-downs, frankly the QC isn't up to it for what's a pretty complex blaster and the glued in spring feels like an emergency production line revision for a design flaw. I wouldn't expect this thing to stay reliable in stock form.

Other stuff...

It might be possible to improve the long trigger throw but it's non-simple. I can take some slack out easily, and some slack out hard.

You definitely can fit 180s inside the shell without visible cuts, possibly with no cuts at all. The flywheels are a slightly differnet design with one beveled edge but no obvious practical differences.
Relocating the battery is possible, there's space inside the shell where I could fit my stryfe's battery, though it needs a fair amount of internal mods. Actually I think you could fit a much bigger pack. Though no easy charging, it'll need the shell split. <edit, just for clarity, there's no problem with fitting a pack in the battery tray- this is only for minimisation purposes>

But I'm not going to do that just now, I'll just optimise what's there, rewire and maybe throw in the barricade motors I have, but retain the stock tray for stock-ish games and run it on IMRs. In the long term, who knows, I'm definitely deleting the front grip and I've got 2 ideas for the bigger picture.

So yeah. I still like what it does but it's not impressive from Hasbro, overcomplex and not well executed.


Last edited by Northwind on Thu Sep 17, 2015 9:55 am; edited 1 time in total
Wed Sep 16, 2015 9:31 pm View user's profile Send private message
OldNoob
Foam Data Collector


Joined: 07 May 2013
Posts: 4823
Fav. Blaster: Xtreme 180 Rapidstrike
Location: In the Boonies



Post Reply with quote
Barricade motors are the same wind as Falcons, so will be worse than stock on 2s, will be fair on 3s but are still metal brush.

_________________
Big_Poppa_Nerf wrote:

Boff whats the damage? I have spent over 3 times my Nerf budget this month already. Part of me is trying to be a responsible parent/husband/house owner. The other half is just says 'Ahhhh, Screw it!'.
Wed Sep 16, 2015 10:11 pm View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail
Northwind
Nerf Addict


Joined: 28 Dec 2014
Posts: 898
Fav. Blaster: Rapid Red
Location: Edinburgh



Post Reply with quote
Yeah, there's a lot of performance management involved in that decision, I'm essentially aiming for mediocre performance  Laughing  It's for shooting kids with stock blasters at fds essentially, and for lolz in the project. The barricade motor swap is almost irrelevant to the big picture, they're just sat on the worktop making me feel guilty for not using them, might as well.

I've got a pair of 3240s and a suitable 2S pack sat here but that's not where this one's going. It'd be quite funny to do, I suppose.

Anyway- I feel that's drifted a bit off the review topic. The main point of all that waffle was that it's really pretty flawed inside in design and execution but fortunately most of the issues can be resolved quite easily. Got a bit sidetracked into how I'll go about it. There's some elements of the design that are really nice, and I suppose the overcomplex stuff is at least ingenious.

Oh, last note on stock form, it does run on 3 IMRs like a demo, etc, if anyone was so inclined.
Wed Sep 16, 2015 10:32 pm View user's profile Send private message
Arnikarian
Junior Member


Joined: 19 Apr 2015
Posts: 61
Fav. Blaster: Magnus/Longshot, some combo thereof
Location: Belfast, NI



Post Reply with quote
Slightly off topic. But i have had a ridiculous time trying to buy this blaster, Argos kept giving me the lockout xbow and saying it was rthe right thing. Amazon refused to ship it to NI and all my local toy stores dont have it at all.

Nice review tho, very informative

_________________
Arn...Arn Ah.... Arn Ah Care....  Arn Ah Care Ian?
Just call me Arni
Thu Sep 17, 2015 9:52 pm View user's profile Send private message
Northwind
Nerf Addict


Joined: 28 Dec 2014
Posts: 898
Fav. Blaster: Rapid Red
Location: Edinburgh



Post Reply with quote
Cheers- did you find one in the end? They're back up to £33 in Asda but I'd be happy to grab one and post it over for you if you can't source one in NI...

Just finished this round of mods tonight- decided not to do the motor swap, then snapped one of the terminals off a stock motor anyway so swapped them after all  Laughing And threw in a straight-fluted barrel, just because why not. On 2 IMRs it's performing as expected, mediocre Laughing Low 70s. So I'm happy with that, I can take it against people with stock blasters without feeling like a dick, and I can shoot other people's kids without worries. And obviously the barricade motors won't be stressed with a 3rd IMR. I nearly rigged an XT60 to allow easy pack fitting but just left it as is.

A final review note- the combination of mechanical lock removal (which as mentioned just means removing 1 piece for the main lock) fixing the snaggy wire, and cleaning up the sliding surfaces to remove the mold lines etc, and it's now far smoother and the occasional rotation fail seems to be gone. (the rev trigger jam, I think I could have tuned out with just cleaning and lubing but it's replaced anyway) The trigger's still long and a little clunky but far nicer. Pretty disappointing that all the blaster's issues are basically quality control and overcomplex design but at least it's dealable with.

I also noticed some similiar nasty mold flash on the outer shell after I reattached it- maybe it's more noticable on the curvy shell but I've never really been aware of this on any other blasters. The whole thing just seems to be one step below Hasbro's normal standard. Just pared it off with a scalpel, no bother.

<an edity update; used this blaster for the last Foam Dart Thunder and it performed superbly- that's the job I made it for after all. Couldn't be beaten for on-the-fly reloading. I ran it on 2S with lifepo to drop it to essentially stock power- it revs a little faster than 4 normal AAs but chronos at about 70. I really like this adaptability, I can run it on 3S or easily mod it to take a pack but it's useful to be able to downtune it.

The only issue I had was that I kept on spinning the drum just out of habit; it works better to load the bottom and to not spin, but apparently I like spinning it>


Last edited by Northwind on Wed Dec 09, 2015 8:33 pm; edited 1 time in total
Thu Sep 17, 2015 11:17 pm View user's profile Send private message
Arnikarian
Junior Member


Joined: 19 Apr 2015
Posts: 61
Fav. Blaster: Magnus/Longshot, some combo thereof
Location: Belfast, NI



Post Reply with quote
Nah, i wanted it for my sister's birthday tomorrow, i ended up getting her a rapidstrike instead. But thanks a million for the offer

_________________
Arn...Arn Ah.... Arn Ah Care....  Arn Ah Care Ian?
Just call me Arni
Fri Sep 18, 2015 8:49 am View user's profile Send private message
blindgeekuk
Game Organiser


Joined: 31 May 2015
Posts: 980
Fav. Blaster: Demolisher
Location: Leeds, UK



Post Reply with quote
Arnikarian wrote:
Slightly off topic. But i have had a ridiculous time trying to buy this blaster, Argos kept giving me the lockout xbow and saying it was rthe right thing. Amazon refused to ship it to NI and all my local toy stores dont have it at all.

Nice review tho, very informative


I had a similar issue yesterday buying one for my daughters birthday. On their internal system it IS the lockout xbow, as we double checked twice (on original pickup, and on replacement later in the day). My store in otley has submitted a record change request to the db, so here's hoping.

Then there's an issue in that some of the codebreaker stock is numbered up in the store, and the store doesn't have its full stock of fearless fire, because they employ idiots who can't tell the difference.

I ended up having to get shouty and demanding to speak to the manager who wasn't great and was still believing their internal system, despite their website, and sites like this saying otherwise. In the end she had to go into the stock are herself to find the items.

Got it home, bunged some ikea batteries in, and it's a very neat blaster, daughter is over the moon with it. Surprisingly quiet with a nice up to speed to fire time, and good range (I still prefer springers).


Sun Sep 27, 2015 5:28 am View user's profile Send private message Visit poster's website
Display posts from previous:    
Reply to topic    BRIT NERF Forum Index » General Nerf Discussion -> UK Blaster Reviews All times are GMT
Page 1 of 1

 
Jump to: 
You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum

Card File  Gallery  Forum Archive
Powered by phpBB © 2001, 2005 phpBB Group
Design by Freestyle XL / Flowers Online.
Create your own free forum | Buy a domain to use with your forum